Version: 1.0 Build 20090510. License: GPL Operating System: Mac OS X. H264 JMF Encoder GUI is a free and open source H.264/AVC.

I was under the impression that h264 was better than xvid/divx, in that you could compress files more with similar quality, even if the files took more processing power to decode. But I have been doing some experimenting with Videora iPod converter, and the files that it produces at near default settings seem much larger than the xvid files I got off sites like Darkville. Darkville's files are compressed to 100 MB for 44 minutes in xvid format, and they seemed similar to higher quality than the 370 MB, 22 minute files I have encoded in H264 with Videora.Should I be using a different H264 encoder, or different settings, or is H264 just that much more inefficient than xvid?As a side note, Videora's initial estimate of the file size at around 202 MB seemed wildly off of the final product of 374 MB; is that an error in the software or can you not tell how big it is going to be until the encoding is complete. H.264 is MPEG4 Layer 10. DivX/XviD are both implementations of the original MPEG4 spec.

If it was assigned a layer, I guess it would be like Layer 1. MPEG4 has evolved quite a bit to reach H.264, but most of the improvements have been in improving image quality and less on increasing the level of compression.I've seen a lot of people use the X264 encoder.

I've never used it myself, as the only MPEG4 encodes I make are for my AT&T 8525 and that is a device which doesn't nearly have the power for H.264 encodes and so I use regular old DivX for encoding. You're mixing your Layers with your Parts, Rebel. H.264 is defined by MPEG-4 Part 10, while DivX and the like are MPEG-4 Part 2. And yes, almost any H.264 codec, and certainly x264, is better than DivX/Xvid in every possible way except power requirements.44 minutes of DivX/Xvid video at 100 MB is pretty woeful quality. But the lower the bitrate, the better H.264 fares against MPEG-4 ASP, so you're doing something very wrong to get the results you're getting.

I use a Mac for my video work, so software like Videora makes me shudder. But what are you using as your source for these H.264 encodes? I'll just say that the 44 minute xvid files are superb quality, blown up on my 1680x1050 15.4 in screen.The source for my videora encodes is a Hauppage PVR USB2 with standard cable, so the initial quality isn't that great. I don't care so much about quality, as long as the transcoded files are about the same quality, which they seemed to be. I am transcoding from 2 GB/hr mpeg2 files.

I just used the 'normal' mode in videora, which looks like 768kbps audio/128kbps audio 480x320 H264 video. What am I doing wrong? Originally posted by JoeyGeraci:Does anybody know how to achieve this with h264?Yes.1. Obtain the same source2. Use x264With 1. Being the more important.

If your source is noisy (likely with analog cable), you'll get much bigger files than when you're encoding from a clean source, both with x264 and xvid. Given the same source, x264 normally beats xvid at the same bitrate. To put in another way, if you compare your H.264 encodes to your own xvid encodes instead of those from darkville, the h.264 will probably win. Won't files encoded at the same bit rate, and the same length, be the same size after encoding regardless of the original size? Considering that the darkville files look like the original source was HD, or DVD at the least, I can't imagine they were smaller than my original 2GB Mpeg2 files.I probably need to use a different front end with more options no matter what. Can anyone recommend a good x264 front end that is fairly easy to use, fairly cheap (preferrably free), and that has a good number of options?

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Considering that the darkville files look like the original source was HD, or DVD at the least, I can't imagine they were smaller than my original 2GB Mpeg2 files.But they were likely less noisy and almost certainly better quality than your analog MPEG2 captures. If they used a DVD or HD source and (downscaled and) encoded it to target 500MB instead of 100MB in either xvid or x264 it would look better than your original 2GB MPEG2 files. And if you re-encoded that 500MB xvid to a 300MB x264 it would probably still look better than your original 2GB MPEG2, let alone a x264 re-encode of that.

I probably need to use a different front end with more options no matter what. Can anyone recommend a good x264 front end that is fairly easy to use, fairly cheap (preferrably free), and that has a good number of options?Neither switching front ends nor to xvid/divx or so is going to help you much with your source. You need to let go of the idea you can get good results at very low bitrates with a crappy to mediocre source. That said, I'm not familiar with Videora, so maybe it really is just crappy.

But 768kbps for video sounds about right to me for that resolution, that about what I use for my Hauppauge cable captures. H.264 is certainly a better codec than DivX and Xvid.

In all of my encodes, I'll get some ringing on sharp edges with Xvid compared to little or none with x264 at similar bit rates.Xvid compresses a hell of a lot quicker at maximum settings and is easier to decode, something you may want to consider for a target audience.Nevertheless, if you can play it back, I'd recommend encoding with x264/H.264. The results are much cleaner at lower bit rates.Compression time shouldn't be much of a consideration though. You should always strive to output the best looking video within file size means.It irks me sometimes that my x264 DVD rips take up to 11 or 12 hours to encode on my E6400 @ 3.2 GHz, but a full resolution rip (720x480) with indistinguishable quality (minus some grain that might be filtered out in pre-processing) at a 1/3 or 1/4 of the file size makes it worth it. It's unlikely you are going to be able to get results as good as a 'pro' ripping group, even if you have a clean source. While the defaults are good for most people, you can get better quality and smaller file sizes if you are willing to put in the time and effort to tweak everything just right on a per source basis. The ripping groups do this, you probably don't want to bother.Like others have said, your biggest issue is probably your source quality.

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A noisy source can destroy encoding quality, or increase the file size by a lot. If you are really set on using a noisy source and getting a small file size, you could look into using avisynth filters to try and clean it up a little before encoding. That's going to require a whole lot more research and work than using a one click ripper though.As far as H264 encoders go, x264 is free and very good. I've been doing a lot of DVD rips lately. I'll rip the VOB's out with DVDShrink, then recode the VOB's to another format.I've been using Super lately, since a lot of these are seasons of shows, and I'll encode 20+ episodes at a shot. I've experimented with their h264 and xvid encodes, and have not seen any visual advantage to going with the h264 over the xvid when maintaining the same video bitrate. Most of the advances I've read about that h264 introduced seemed to be targetted at high resolutions and artifact reduction, but I honestly can't tell a difference.So I've been ripping to xvid as a result.

I can't watch the videos on my ipod or PSP as a result, but at least they play back on my xbox, which is where I'd rather watch them anyway. I'd pay the $30 for Visual Hub, which kicks ass.Agree with ease of use for Visual Hub. Easiest thing EVAR. 3-Step transcode with a few additional options in a semi-manual mode. A great tool that I use if I need to transcode a file for someone quickly and easily. It is not a tool that I'd use for having a lot of flexability in accessing the options of h264 though the gui though.

With visual hub you get the standard Good-Better-Best encode slider bar, and some advanced bit-rate, deinterlacing, and cropping options or a CLI over-ride input dialogue box. So its more of zomg-easy, easy-with-overrides, or CLI. Still a great app for drag-n-drop encoding - Very Suitable for quick eyetv transcodes (What I use it for).I still prefer megui for real archival h264, as I enjoy tuning my encodes and dont mind playing with my food to do so. I'd pay the $30 for Visual Hub, which kicks ass.Agree with ease of use for Visual Hub. Easiest thing EVAR. 3-Step transcode with a few additional options in a semi-manual mode.

A great tool that I use if I need to transcode a file for someone quickly and easily. It is not a tool that I'd use for having a lot of flexability in accessing the options of h264 though the gui though. With visual hub you get the standard Good-Better-Best encode slider bar, and some advanced bit-rate, deinterlacing, and cropping options or a CLI over-ride input dialogue box. So its more of zomg-easy, easy-with-overrides, or CLI. Still a great app for drag-n-drop encoding - Very Suitable for quick eyetv transcodes (What I use it for).I still prefer megui for real archival h264, as I enjoy tuning my encodes and dont mind playing with my food to do so.Something with the ease of use of Visual Hub that also exposes all features of each encoder (and is available for Windows) is something I would pay for. You should at least make the tiniest attempt at a scientific test and encode the same source file to both formats with the same bitrate.

You can't compare a random thing you made with a random tool you downloaded with someone who knows what they're doing. I mean, c'mon, basic common sense.On the other hand, if you really believe 100mb xvid looks fine at high resolution, you have very low standards - a good thing in a world of shitty video - and might not care no matter how big the real difference is.Here's a starting point:Lots of GUIs, some simple, some complex, some both. Almost all use x264. (Including Videora.) MeGUI is my personal favorite, but although it has an automatic mode, it's really oriented toward the power user. StaxRip is a nice balance toward the newbie side.In terms of raw efficiency, Mainconcept is currently the best, x264 and Ateme after that, then lots of little ones barely worth a mention (including Sony's).Doom9's h.264 forum also has quite a few people who are well versed in the standards, and often developers themselves.

There are threads comparing the quality of different formats, especially h.264 vs xvid and h.264 vs vc-1/wmv. Even as far back as the last Doom9 codec shootout in 2005, h.264 took a strong lead over xvid/divx in movie encoding, and has advanced significantly since.The only time xvid gives you a better picture is in pictures with heavy grain, at very high bitrates (2-20MBps), but with the right advanced options h.264 can still beat that. Since at the bitrates you use grain (and detail in general) is nonexistent, this doesn't apply to you. This is even true for ipod-level h.264, a very restricted subset, which is all Videora gives you.Whether you really want to educate yourself or not, you can at least get a good GUI or two that'll handle most of your needs.Also, I wish people would just stop recommending VLC. It was great a few years ago, but you can get nearly all the same features in a much nicer package in smplayer. (mplayer is the project VLC is based on.) VLC needs a top-down GUI redesign.

Another similarly good player but with directshow capability is GOM Player, but it's been languishing without an update for a while now. Originally posted by MachFour:Intel Indeo? - View image here: -Yeah, what the heck is up with that format? I only encountered it once before and that was on porn site - View image here: - And for some reason I needed to play it with a Mac OS 9 player, or it wouldn't go. Weirdage - View image here: -It was a popular format before MPEG-4, since it was better than MPEG-1 (but slower than both MPEG-1 and 4). Indeo 5 included parts of MPEG-4, as well, but once Microsoft's MPEG-4/DivX showed up it pretty much disappeared. Them were the days of VHS captures and 160x120 realmedia, yar.

Anyway Indeo's included with Windows, so why'd you have to play it with Quicktime?